Mike Bacsik (Transcript)
Robby Incmikoski: All right, we are recording Mike plastic. Who says my name better than anyone on planet Earth except my family. Hey, Mike.
Robby Incmikoski: first of all, how hard I've asked you this before and I've told you this before, I have a lot of respect for players. Who even spend one day in the big leagues? How hard it is to get to the big leagues I'm gonna ask you, you played the big leagues, how hard is it to reach the big leagues?
Mike Bacsik: As everybody says, it's hard to make the leagues harder to stay in the big leagues. But, I know that there's less draft picks now, but when you look at when I was drafted there was approximately 50 rounds and out of those 50 rounds. If a team hits on five guys who make the major leagues, it doesn't mean they have great careers, just make the major leagues. You beat the average. You did it. You hit a 10% draft. We're out of the 50 guys. You took five of them play today or more in the big league, so it's really tough. Heck I would just looking at the Rangers draft picks of 2021 and Jack glider and then you look at some of the other guys and he Start looking at me like, all right. Second round or done third round or probably not gonna make it, and those are the top hits in the draft. So, I mean, even out of your top, five picks, man, if you can get two of those guys to the major leagues, at some point in their career, you did a good job.
Robby Incmikoski: Yeah, doubt. One of my best friends is a guy named Kurt Menefees, the host for the NFL and Fox and he wrote a book and it's called losing his in everything. And he talks about people in the biggest moments in the history of sports and people who are on the other end of them and you are one of those guys who are on it and that doesn't define someone's career by any stretch. Of course, Bill Buckner had a great career. One ball went through his legs, and he's remembered for that Damn really good. Baseball player, for a long time. What is it? Just for you. When you look back since August of 2007, what is it like just being attached to arguably one of the greatest moments in the history of baseball?
Mike Bacsik: It matters the day, some days are I don't really want to talk about it, it's very record. I threw the pitch, whatever. 600 something other guys gave up home, runs to them. But then there's other times, you're like, man, it connects me with baseball still and it kind of in a way led to me being in media because I wasn't nobody in the major leagues and then you get all of these interviews and people This guy's pretty good at doing interviews and then it led to doing baseball tonight at the end of the '07 season during the playoffs. And at the time the morning show was called Cold Pizza and got to be on that. And so
Mike Bacsik: In the moment, it felt horrible. I remember, as I sat in the dugout waiting for kind of the ceremony to be over with Hank, Aaron being on the big screen and all kinds of stuff like that. You're like, my gosh, I can't believe I made a mistake in this moment and now historically, I'm the guy who gave up the home run to Barry Bonds to beat Hank, Aaron's records, you feel miserable in the moment and then I still need to get two more outs in the innings. So, I went back out There. Can't even tell you what I threw or anything like that, but I got two more outs. And then after that ending the 5th, inning, I got pulled out of the game and
Mike Bacsik: As the night progressed, I don't know an hour later. I'm going to guess maybe as shorter than that, but went over to the San Francisco dugout because there are a clubhouse. Barry had been pulled out of the game and they're like, Hey if you want to maybe say anything to bury, we can get you over there. Cuz obviously, after this is over and done the median, everything are gonna be in the locker rooms and I was like, Okay, yeah, I'll go over there, congratulated him, I don't know exactly what he said but in a way he thanked me for being aggressive and trying to get him out and pitch to him. He said a lot of positive things, you're gonna be great in the major leagues. And after that year, I never made it back to the major leagues, but it was cool. I remember going into that clubhouse, Omar of a scale was in there. He was a former teammate of mine and Cleveland Barry. Zito the picture against me was in there and then you had Willie Mays Frank.
Mike Bacsik: Robinson in there, and I think a couple other guys with Those come to mind that there was Mays Frank Robbinson Omar Vascale was on the team, but in the clubhouse at the time, there's Barry Bonds. So I'd never met in my life. I'd only, pitched against them. So I just like man, I'm in this locker right now in a weird way going. Hey, congratulations on the record. I wish I wouldn't have given it up, but congratulations on it. And then you're there with three of the greatest players in baseball history.
Robby Incmikoski: Yeah, no doubt how much in a backhanded way Mike. Was that a blessing? Because you just said, it kind of hatched your meeting career what, I think professionally and your family guy, they meet married to get three boys. you're married to high school, sweetheart all that but think about how that kind of define the rest of your career in the game. I mean, was that a backhanded blessing I guess, maybe, for lack of a better term.
Mike Bacsik: Yeah, I think. It's weird Robby because in a lot of my life things that maybe seem to be really wrong and at the time, don't feel In the end, maybe producing something good like a blessing, like you're talking about, it doesn't feel like a blessing right now. It doesn't feel like this is gonna be good. And some of the times it's on me, for screwing up, but in the end, I do believe in God and Jesus. And I believe that in a way, there's this plan that I can't understand. And at times that we can understand and that moment, Ended up. Producing another career I would have never guessed that in the moment. I didn't know in the moment. what? This is going to be good for me, it's like this is really crappy and infecting. wait.
Mike Bacsik: this is only feeling, I don't know the truth or not in this, I felt like we don't want him on the big league team because I went back to the Washington nationals and it just felt like we don't want that to be a storyline of the 2008 nationals. There's the guy who gave up Barry Bonds home run and I felt like I wasn't getting a fair chance to make the nationals again, the next year and then my career ended, it was over and I wasn't expecting it to be over. I was 30, 31 years old at the time, I felt like I had more in me. I felt like, I could go back to the big leagues, and help out a team in the pen or however, which way. But then, it just ended the next year. So I felt like at the time it was not a blessing at all. In fact it felt like in a way ended my chance of ever pitching in the major league again. I don't know if that's true or not that would have to be truth serum into a lot of
Mike Bacsik: General managers and farm directors. If they're like Hey we just didn't want him being part of our organization. Not that he's a bad guy but we just didn't want that to be a little bit of a small circus over to the side of you got the guy who gave up the home, run to Barry Bonds? I don't know. That would have to be those people. Truthfully answering that type of question.
Robby Incmikoski: So can you give us an inside? Look Mike. All right so the pitch happens bonds hits the homer. Can you just take us through the rest? You mentioned going in the dugout. Can you just take us through what happened? It was the number one story in.
Mike Bacsik: Yeah.
Robby Incmikoski: That there was no bigger story, definitely in sports, arguably, almost, I don't remember world events going on at that time, but that was the biggest thing, the world news was talking about it, can you just tell me from the time you threw the pitch. Fastball. He left up 86 miles an hour. Do I have that correct? And
Mike Bacsik: I believe so I know it's a fastball, the speed I think it was about. That's about what I threw. So that's about what it would probably was.
Robby Incmikoski: but yeah, so can you just tell us just from what you remember Mike and what you're willing to share with us what happened? You throw the pitch, it happens. Then walk the rest of the night.
Mike Bacsik: after I threw the pitch, it's amazing how quick a ball gets to home plate, but how long your brain on the mound goes? crap. I know I've missed my spot and especially against the good hitter. So one I was the guy who finished balanced after I finished. So it's like I better get my glove ready in case he wants to kill me and hit it right back at me. And then once he hits it, you immediately know when a guy like that, hits it I immediately knew and then let me answer it. Specifically ask the question again real quick. So I don't
Robby Incmikoski: No problem. So you throw the pitch. Can take me through and…
Mike Bacsik: Yeah.
Robby Incmikoski: you don't have to get into crazy detail…
Mike Bacsik: Right.
Robby Incmikoski: but just the Cliff Notes version. You throw the pitch from there to the end of the night. What happened? you throw the pitch that Dug out game ends, you code on the bus,…
Mike Bacsik: Yeah.
Robby Incmikoski: that kind of thing. as much details. You're willing to just tell us about the rest at night.
Mike Bacsik: so after I get back out of the dugout, get the next two outs of the inning. They're like, our
Robby Incmikoski: Hold on. The dugout. What do you mean? So the game stopped every you and…
Mike Bacsik: So I was on the mound for probably,…
Robby Incmikoski: they left the field.
Mike Bacsik: I don't know, I'm guesstimating, Two minutes. And then the umpires are, like, you guys can get off the field. So all of us nationals then went into the dugout and it was of and I'm guesstimating time, but I'm guessing around a 10 minute kind of celebration where I know, Hank Aaron came on the big screen and I don't know everything. They are doing, but you're just sitting in the dugout and, I'm not taking it all in because I'm like, my gosh. Can't believe this happened and then I remember Felipe Lopez we were out. We weren't a very good team, the nationals, he is our shortstop, because don't worry, we'll win this one for you because I believe at the time that made it five to four San Francisco in the game. It took the lead is a solo home run.
Robby Incmikoski: but,
Mike Bacsik: But then I get taken out of the game. I talked about going on the other side shaking Berry's hand, and then I've never had done this before. Nobody had ever done this on the nationals. No seven. They send me to the press room, it's not interviews in the locker room. Usually you…
Robby Incmikoski: Yep.
Mike Bacsik: in the clubhouse, the media comes, ask you questions and they move on to another player, whatever this they're like, all right, so you're gonna go into the press room which was obviously packed. I remember before the game, I've been to a few World Series through the Rangers. I would say there's as much or more media at that game than there are at the World Series.
Robby Incmikoski: Mm-hmm
Mike Bacsik: So it was lined up the media which is usually kind of behind home plate before a game. It was lined up past the dugouts into kind of the outfield on the warning track because they had to make it as big as possible because of how much media was there from the world because he has tied the record going into the series, and it was the second game of the series. So then I go into the press room and you now know me a little bit Robby, I'm sarcastic and funny. And so, I sit down, and before anybody asked me a question, I said I always dreamed of this moment. I just thought I would be the one hitting the home run and not the one on the mound.
Mike Bacsik: And so that was kind of my first comment I made to the media which kind of lightened it up a little bit and then I can remember them asking me questions about the pitch but also about Barry Bonds and does he deserve it? And is he really the home run king and all of those things and so I did my very best To avoid answering those questions. You answer them without answering them. And so you're just like Look, that's his record. He has it. That's not a question for me to answer. All I did was pitch, He set the record and I can't remember exactly everything I said, but it's kind of like, that's really not up to me to determine if This is legitimate or not legitimate. That's not Mike Basic.
Robby Incmikoski: Right.
Mike Bacsik: Doesn't get to make that decision. and so then,…
Robby Incmikoski: Right. Yeah. And
Mike Bacsik: real quick,
Mike Bacsik: My buddy was there childhood friend from kindergarten who was living in San Francisco. Ryan Perry.
Robby Incmikoski: what's his name?
Mike Bacsik: And so Ryan is like, How do you want to get out of this place? And I'm like, we just walk out and get a cab. what do you mean, how he's like? I don't know, man, because he's outside. And he's like, I don't know if that's gonna work and I'm like it's not. Nobody knows who I am. I gave up a home run, nobody knows. But one night when I got outside of the park, the stadium to go get a cab. I don't know, I'm guessing a hundred people, and they want my autograph in there, and this and that. But I signed some autographs. I always tried to sign autographs. I try not to deny people that but I can't also sign a thousand things. I want to get out of there and go, hang out with my buddy. so,
Mike Bacsik: I do that sign some autographs. We go. Grab a bike to Hang out. And then the next morning, I guess through my agent but also people have obviously the hotel we're staying at and I didn't stay under an alias because after interview. That whole day until I went to the park and then got my workout in. And that's about what I can remember because at the park, I just remember getting kind of back into my routine of things. Yes, there's media that wanted to talk to me there, but just trying to get back into the routine to try to get ready for my next start.
Robby Incmikoski: What were the 10 minutes like sitting in the dugout?
Mike Bacsik: It was depressing. because, I love baseball. My dad played major league baseball, I always wanted to be a major league baseball player and so you start thinking of Mitch Williams versus Joe Carter, or you think of Kurt, Gibson versus Dennis Eckersley? You think of, I don't know in the moment if I remembered that, Al Downing because that was before my time, when out Downing gave up the home run to Hank, Aaron, but I think in my lifetime all of these big home runs in that About a 30 minutes after I was taking out the game and sitting in the clubhouse. I'm thinking
Mike Bacsik: I didn't just lose the World Series and I can't remember who came up to me and Hey, it's not a big deal as in you'll be fine and I was like, I wasn't Mitch Williams, I feel for him. A Dennis Eckersley. I know he's a Hall of Famer but that was the winner. Lose the World Series or Mario Honor Rivera against Luis Gonzalez. that wasn't a home run but There was nothing on the line. we ended up coming back and winning the game. We weren't a playoff contender, but I just remember feeling really bad but soon after the press conference and everything I'm like I don't feel great about giving up a home run. I'm trying to survive up here and stay in the major leagues but I also understood too. It wasn't Mitch, Williams versus Joe Carter. It was a World Series or a playoff defining moment.
Robby Incmikoski: What was the vibe in the ballpark at that moment?
Mike Bacsik: So the pitch before, just to give you an idea. I threw a three, two breaking ball and it was first, baseman, he fields it, Dimitri, Young told me later and I can't remember what day but the umpire said, I'm pretty sure it was foul but I couldn't see with all the flashing lights going off. So it's seven. So a lot of people have real cameras. Yes, some people have their phones. it's early in the world of you can actually video. It was not gonna be that great for most seven but a lot of people brought cameras. So as soon as he would swing the bat, Flashes would go off everywhere. And so the umpire even said with all the flashes going off, I didn't see it perfectly, but I'm pretty sure it was found replay showed it was foul. So, that was the vibe is when he came up. Also the umpire And I'm sorry, I'm drawing a blank. You can look it up. it might have been hurt back. It might have been her respect but I'm not sure.
Mike Bacsik: They would have to go get all new balls. So all the balls in the game had to be replaced. so there would be no doubt, whoever, if the home run was given up that night or the night before, They had to bring out all marked balls that were totally different than the rest of the game ball. So if the ball went into the stands,…
Robby Incmikoski: Yep.
Mike Bacsik: they would know that that was the home run ball that nobody would be able to adjust and have a ball in their pocket and say, This is the ball. So it was different because all of the sudden balls were changed out and when they came up the whole place was I remember I got three on the count And I was getting booed, I wasn't trying to throw balls. I was trying to throw perfect pitches you had to throw perfect b****** to Barry Bonds and so I remember just getting booed and I worked it back to a three, two count, and he fell off a pitch. So it was the seventh pitch, I believe at that.
Mike Bacsik: So that the vibe was, I've been to playoff games. I didn't play in playoff games I've played in World Series. I went to World Series games, didn't play in them. it's tough. I was on the mound. That felt like more energy than going to. What? I've been to some Ranger playoff in World Series games. The only other thing I can compare it to Robby and this is gonna sound weird the last game of '07. I got nothing left. And they put me in the pen. And we're in Philadelphia and Philadelphia was seven games back of the Mets with 20 games to go and the Mets. Flounder and the Phillies are hot, and if the Mets win,
Mike Bacsik: And the Phillies win. They go to a one-game playoff. before our game started the Mets game was an hour ahead and the Mets are giving it up. I think they're playing the Marlins, not even a good team and they're losing four to zero after two innings. That Philadelphia place was louder,…
Robby Incmikoski: Yep.
Mike Bacsik: it felt like, then San Francisco for the bond situation. I'm hoping I'm hate saying this, but I'm hoping I don't pitch my shoulders, killing me, the seasons ending. But I told them, If you want me to pitch, I'll pitch. I was always like if you want me to pitch, I'm gonna do my best with whatever I have. I'm gonna try my best. and in the fourth or fifth inning,
Mike Bacsik: Chase Utley and Ryan. Howard are coming off to lead off the inning and maniac our managers Get Bacsik up, he's going into face Utley and Howard. I got nothing. I'm throwing crap up there and Utley I get to fly out, not even on a good pitch, but he flies out. And then on the third or fourth pitch, I throw a hanging breaking ball, and Ryan. Howard hits a home run and it felt louder on the mound, then the last game of the season in Philadelphia, then it did when I gave up the home run to Barry Box. So, that's the only moment I've been on the mound where the energy of the building felt louder or more intense than the very bonds home run.
Robby Incmikoski: That is absolutely incredible to think about that. So I don't want to keep you too. Are you working tonight by the way?
Mike Bacsik: luckily I'm off, I'm running on fumes right now.
Robby Incmikoski: But you've been doing a lot of games. Here's another question for You're a real gracious guy. I've gotten to know you had a chance to meet your wife a couple times. Make your kids.
Robby Incmikoski: Why are you Gracious and accommodating to people who ask about you being on the wrong side of history, where does that come from? Because you are very willing. When I first met you, I was half afraid to even talk to you about it because you never know how somebody's going to react. You know I'm saying, I'm coming in as your worker.
Mike Bacsik: Yeah.
Robby Incmikoski: I'm your co-host, You know what I'm saying? So there's something to it, you know what I'm saying? because other people who I've known have been a big part of big moments. And I just don't go there because I know how they feel about a certain person. You are so gracious about this. Why?
Mike Bacsik: One, I will say I don't know but I will say this I give credit to my mom and dad. I give credit to Grandparents I give credit to my high school coach, I don't know because I'm with There's some people that you just kind of don't want to talk to in this game because you don't get the sense that they want to be cordial at all. and I'm like, I don't know. I just think that the way I was brought up that, I understand that this is a tough game, my dad played major League baseball and I understand, I know what it's like. to feel like to have a bad interaction and I'm not perfect, I'm sure there are people in this world that think that I'm a D head, but, I try very hard.
Mike Bacsik: when I'm meeting people or people ask me questions and I love the game of baseball, this is a historic part of baseball and weirdly I am on the wrong side of it. I'm the person who was the one who gave it up. not had the accomplishment but I don't mind talking about it because we're talking about baseball. It might lead us to other conversations about the game or about my upbringing or whatever like that. And I don't know. I feel like being nice. I don't at times, it takes more effort to be mean than it does to be nice. So I try to be nice about it and then it try to explain it in the best way possible. and then,
Mike Bacsik: it's history. There's nothing I can do about it and then we just talked about in a weird way it led to things that here's what, I don't know Robby. If I don't give up the home run do I have a longer big league career? If I don't give up the home run, do I not have a media career? I don't know. all things are hypotheticals. But I'm glad that most people think, Hey, I can go up and talk to that guy and I can ask him a question as long as it's Nicely when I was on the morning show and Skip Bayless was there. And this was I would say an '07, this is before Skip Bayless had blown up, like he don't give me wrong, He was on ESPN and on the morning show, but
Mike Bacsik: He did say is going to break you intentionally. Gave it up, didn't she or something like that? Now we're on ESPN. I'm just a guest there. Like that irks me right when somebody does that. But that's Skip, Bayless type of personality.
Robby Incmikoski: Yeah.
Mike Bacsik: So I don't like that, but I'm not great at this all the time. I try to ignore that and not get into That I think that's what they want. I think, what Skip wanted was a big reaction from me?
Robby Incmikoski: yeah, yeah.
Mike Bacsik: instead, I was Just like, I'm not gonna respond.
Robby Incmikoski: No, I And I feel like We said this before. I mean, I learned Mike, just how hard major league baseball players work? Just throw one pitch. I mean, I spent 16 years, 15 and a half. We're gonna get technical, day in and day out every day for 15 full seasons. And I know what the work ethic is like,**. It's hard to do what we do day in and day out, and we're just talking about it right now. Imagine what's like,…
Mike Bacsik: Yeah.
Robby Incmikoski: get body physically ready to face Garrett Kohler to face Ben, Joyce, throwing 104, I'm saying,…
Mike Bacsik: Yeah.
Robby Incmikoski: to try to get out, Aaron Judge right now. I mean, you essentially had to try to get air and judge out and the biggest moment, It's not an easy thing to do anybody.
Mike Bacsik: Right.
Robby Incmikoski: You can put Justin Verlander Pink just 2012, Justin Verlander. He might not be able to do it, You know what I'm saying? you just have no idea. so, I'm gonna let you go here, but What are your kids make of this? you were with your wife at that time but what does your family? think about you being the guy who gave up bonds a 756
Mike Bacsik: It's a good question. I do know, this is funny the other day. my kids they're not playing football, but their school played like The school that they came from and so it used to be a rivalry. It's not much anymore but it's still kind of is and one of the kids said yeah talking to my 14 year old through Instagram or whatever they're going through. you're dead. Gave up the home run to Barry Bonds and that ball still try. All this stuff like a kid like a 14 year old talking trash to a 14 year old about his dad. And it was funny because
Mike Bacsik: Sit my wife Sue was like, I don't know if you want to see this. I'm like and I thought and I was just laughing that, 14 year old would make fun of that. And my kids, they kind of now that they're older 16 and 14 and for my boys, my daughter who's 19 could care less. I don't even know if she knows, right husband, but, you…
Robby Incmikoski: Congrats Radio.
Mike Bacsik: they'll kind of make value very bonds but I understand where they're coming from because My dad was a major leaguer and I wanted to grow up and be a major leaguer, and be better than my dad was. And my dad wanted to be better than I was, and I want my kids. If they end up making professional baseball, want him to be great and be greater than I was. but,
Mike Bacsik: I don't know if it comes up too much. I do remember this Robby before the game. I remember walking around Union Square I guess, off record back when I guess you could walk around Union Square But I said,…
Robby Incmikoski: But yeah.
Mike Bacsik: Man, what do you think, Dad? And he's like, Hey If you go up against Barry Bonds and you get them out a few times, nobody's going to remember it, but I'll remember it that you went out there and you went after Barry Bonds and got them out with the record, on the line. So it kind of gave me confidence, I can get him out or I'm gonna get him out, and If the millions of people watch in and all this stuff, they don't remember the game before he was tied for the record and didn't hit a home run. But I didn't succeed at all getting them out that game.
Robby Incmikoski: Yeah.
Mike Bacsik: But I just remember my father, telling me Hey if you get them out, I'll always remember that you went after him and got him out.
Robby Incmikoski: Did you get them? I think you might have got him out early that game or…
Mike Bacsik: He hit it,…
Robby Incmikoski: he went He went.
Mike Bacsik: think he had a single and double I was not bad in that game but I was very bad against him. Yeah.
Robby Incmikoski: Yeah, he went three for three or three RBIs. that's cool, I think we kind of covered everything. I don't think I really have anything else. Kyle, I mean, you got anything.
Kyle Fager: That was great. Thank you.
Robby Incmikoski: That's incredible, That is a retelling of a moment that I know you've done many times. So I've really thank you for that Mike. And this has been great, It's gonna go in and it's cool, I'm just,…
Mike Bacsik: Yeah. Awesome.
Robby Incmikoski: I'm just thankful. You're to do this Very much. And, the other last thing. I don't know. Again some of this could be off the record, but he me you told me this before, but as far as autographing stuff with Barry, not much, right?
Mike Bacsik: No, you can put it on the record, I don't mind my agent after it was over.
Robby Incmikoski: Okay.
Mike Bacsik: Was like Hey maybe we do card shows or get whatever tops, whoever upper deck, all those kind of companies that maybe would pay for autographs. I'm like Okay yeah, whatever and he came to found out pretty quickly in off season. That around the country. Most people didn't really want at the time. I don't know how much it's changed today in 2024 but my agent was like, when I'm calling up these companies for the most part, they kind of don't want to touch that record. They don't really want to be a part of it.
Robby Incmikoski: Yeah. Yeah.
Mike Bacsik:
Mike Bacsik: And so it wasn't a big deal. It was like, no my life's over. I'm not gonna make an extra whatever 10,000 or a hundred thousand, whatever it was gonna be, throughout signing autographs with that. But if people ask me, hey, will you put the bonds stuff on there? I don't mind doing it. So, I just put eight. Seven Bonds Number 756. That's if they want the extra but I don't do it unless they ask for it.
Robby Incmikoski: Right.
Mike Bacsik: Can have your autograph. I find my autograph if they're like, hey, and can you do this? I will. But yeah,…
Robby Incmikoski: Right.
Mike Bacsik: there was literally, I would say no money to be made off of being the pitcher, because I think he went around at times with Hank, Aaron to certain shows or…
Robby Incmikoski: Yeah, thanks to you. Yeah.
Mike Bacsik: certain situations and outline would be there. I'll downing was a great picture,
Mike Bacsik: So I mean there is a little difference between me and I'll downing but really the main point was my agent at least was like and I don't think Barry was like Hey I want to bring this guy who I don't really know or whatever. Hey let's go do this or do that which is, fine. it's amazing that we're getting close to 20 years now. that thing happened.
Robby Incmikoski: And that wild 17 years ago.
Mike Bacsik: Yeah.
Robby Incmikoski: It happened 17 years in a month ago almost to the day, right? I don't know today's the seventh…
Mike Bacsik: Yeah.
Robby Incmikoski: what today's date is but yeah, fifth. So yeah. Wow that's crazy. All right I got nothing else for Michael you're the best. And you reinvented my name. Yes.
Mike Bacsik: All right. Robby haven't Have a great weekend and enjoy some football, who you a Steelers guy, right?
Robby Incmikoski: Yeah, they're playing at the Falcons and I would not say I'm fully confident. They have some injuries on the offensive line Kyle. You could just cut the recordings less free to plow through…
Kyle Fager: Okay, Okay.
Robby Incmikoski: but yeah,…
Mike Bacsik: All right.
Robby Incmikoski: they're I'm not super confident.